
| This is where you get your answers about the Legal case that can result in eliminating the California motorcycle helmet law. After this is accomplished, the No List No Law Factor will be moving East to do the same to the Nevada motorcycle helmet law. There will be a Domino Effect. The following people are participants in the COMPLAINT FOR INJUNCTIVE AND DECLARATORY RELIEF |
| Q Mel, who owns a carpet cleaning business in Fair Oaks, California, asks, "It seems like you guys are just trying to be wise guys, riding around with helmets you made yourselves. How is that going to help your law suit to get rid of the helmet law?" |
| DON BLANSCET answers: By illustrating how unclear the law is, we make it easier to understand that the law is not enforceable unless the helmet law is sufficiently clear enough that a person understands how to comply with it. There is an illusion that there are articulable, objective criteria from which a consumer or a police officer can make a determination as to whether a helmet complies or not. That is false. Absent articulable, objective criteria, anything the manufacturer says is a helmet IS, in fact, a helmet. |
| RED BARRON answers: I am not sure by your question if you support the helmet law. If you believe it is the government's responsibility to tell you what and what not to wear, and if you believe safety is more important than freedom and tolerance, you should consider moving somewhere where individual liberty and freedom are superseded by government control. And if you choose to stay don't worry, even if we are successful you will still be able to wear a helmet whenever you choose. If you oppose the helmet law, I have a question for you. What have you done to oppose the helmet law? Constructive complaining has value at times. But I believe you must be active in some fashion, either in support or in opposition of the helmet law, otherwise why would you make an effort to write? Thank you for caring! And thank you for your statement that those who manufacture and certify their own helmets are wise. I personally manufactured a 5 inch diameter coconut shell helmet that won in court. And my mother manufactured and certified that my skull complies with all applicable statutes. If you read and understand all applicable helmet law statutes you will understand that my mother and I, and a handful of like minded wise men are doing is perfectly legal, even if you might think it is absurd. This absurdity is real and is obvious to anyone who takes the time to educate themselves. Are you in law enforcement by chance? The Department of Transportation does not approve helmets. Yet riders are being cited for wearing helmets that, in the opinion of law enforcement officers are "not DOT approved". Do you see the flaw here? Every law must be clear as to what ordinary citizen and "wise guys" must do to comply with it. The helmet law is not clear at all. There is no list of approved helmets, so how can you be certain that your helmet is legal? You can't, and just because "the cops say so" has no legal foundation. Legal foundations are the responsibility of the legislative and judicial branches of our government. Unfortunately, most sheeple do whatever they are told, no matter how absurd it may be. What type of person are you? Do you lead, follow or just complain about things you don't understand? Any of those are better than doing nothing, thank you for that. If you really want to learn how the helmet law works go buy a Vehicle Code book at your local DMV. Read 27803 and 27802 for starters. Then take a look at 40303.5 and 40522. If you get that far and want to learn more let me know. Knowledge is power and ignorance is not always bliss. As long as we have free will it is up to each of us to decide what is important enough to us to get involved and get educated. I am not a lawyer. I quit high school to join the Navy. It doesn't take a special ability or a high IQ to educate yourself, it only takes the will to do so. Everyone has a will . . . the real question is what will you do with it? I hope this answers your question and helps you on your path to knowledge, whatever that may be. |
| PAT HOLMES answers: You have to understand this issue has been going on for sixteen years. In the beginning there was an extraordinary amount of harassment from the CHP and allied police agencies trying to get the point across that they wanted us to wear some sort of headgear that might please someone somewhere. When we received tickets for wearing what appeared to be perfectly good helmets, it became necessary to address the issue in court. The officers learned very quickly we would tie them up in court, and decided to leave the recognized activists alone and harass others less knowledgeable. It became necessary to "push the envelope" so to speak, by fabricating our own headgear (which, by law, is perfectly legal) in order to get tickets so we could address the flaws of the law in court. What resulted is what we have now. An airtight appeal. You may perceive us simply being a bunch of trouble-makers when actually we did (and still do) have a legitimate agenda, taking out a law that is absolutely flawed. You've heard the old saying. Get on board, or get outta the way! |
| Financial help in any amount, no matter how large or small, will help, and is appreciated. The benefits of winning in California will resonate in other states; the state laws are linked to the same Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards. To donate to the Judicial fight to end California's helmet law, use the PayPal button above, or send checks to: ABATE Judicial Fund 10240 7th Ave. Hesperia, CA 92345-2631 You can help insure our case is successful by donating money for this legal effort. Thank you for your help. |
| We are at the beginning of a new election cycle. It happens to be the same time when the critical portions of the Civil case will be heard in court. If we act now, and make sure there is enough money available to allow our lawyer to do whatever needs to be done, we will win this case and the helmet law is gone. Let's be sure that we are not stretched too thin financially, when most freedom minded bikers are doing what they do at election time - helping to get motorcycle friendly politicians elected. Donate to the legal Fund now to stop helmet law enforcement, and contact ABATE to help them get the right politicians elected, so we can celebrate later. |
| Richard Quigley, Santa Cruz Freedom Fighter, 12-25-1943 - 9-15-2007 |

| Rear, L to R, Steve Bianco, Pat Holmes. Front, L to R, Don Blanscet, Wendy Lascher, Richard Quigley. |
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| Don Blanscet answers: The answer to this question is multi part: (a) lack of application (b) bigotry (c) laziness (d) political correctness (e) arrogance (f) Lack of unity (g) Traffic Court Lets dissect the list above. (a) because we the riders who are molested are prone to let other forces in our lives keep us from spending the time and energy to learn our rights and how the system works, the average victim goes to court to bitch that it should be his choice, etc, etc, when in reality we need to argue the legal merits of our cases and we need to know what those merits are, how they come into play and when to argue them and whom to argue them to, see (g) above. If in fact this court fighting were being applied across the board in Calif., in some co-ordinated fashion, lack of application would come off the list. (b) Plain old fashioned bigotry speaks for it self; it is true that for some reason that judges and commissioners view motorcycle misdemeanants differently than other offenders and it is only through continuous application of our cases in a reasoned, thought-out legal approach, in a language that they understand, that we can hope to dispel this negative impression. It is not how we dress but what we say that will carry the most weight before the Courts, if you dress nice and say uniformed things that are not relevant then you are in fact the embodiment of his bigoted beliefs. I wear jeans and leather for my court appearances and when I speak they listen because I have spent the time to learn their language. It is not how you look, but what you say that matters in court. I know people will disagree with me but I have won 60 tickets, lost 3, and have one still pending, all while wearing leather and "helmet this, mother(*<^er" t-shirts, or some other politically in correct insulting shirt that expresses my anger. (c) laziness is self evident also, the guy on the bench is lazy and relies on policy to guide him, the rider is lazy cause he doesn't want to learn (the court's) language and policy and how to point out the flaws in that policy. If we were a sports team there would be practices and team meetings so that when the team took the field, the team would be ready to compete and be competitive. You can't be lazy and competitive, it takes work and the average rider is too lazy to prepare (practice) and the average guy on the bench is too busy to learn your language, so to speak. Why should he, you are in his court room not yours (see (d) below and above. (d) This aspect is very difficult to address because being correct may not be connected to being right in their mind, Those guys on the bench usually have a personal agenda and being on your side even if you are right may jeopardize their own standing on the ladder of upward mobility (job advancement) (e) Arrogance is also pretty easy to understand, the courts went to school for this and you didn't, they get paid to do this and you don't, they speak the language and you don't and thus they feel vindicated that they know what's right (legal) and you don't. And we wonder why the courts truly believe that they know what's best for you and you don't. (f) Lack of unity falls on us the riders to fix, nobody else. If we are united, motivated and prepared (practiced) and we speak their language, then lack of unity is no longer a problem for us and becomes a problem for them! After all they are united against us, so why shouldn't we be united against them? (g) Traffic Court. This is where items (b), (c), (d), and (e) come together to present an obstacle 98% of us will not overcome. Why? Because first and foremost you don't speak their language, you didn't prepare and you're not united which equates to laziness. How? Because first and foremost, most people will talk to traffic commissioners and I refuse to talk to anybody but a real judge. Why talk to someone whose sole role is to take your money, regardless if you are right or wrong. How do I do this? I speak their language! Not as well as they do, of course but well enough for them to realize that I am applying myself, and I am not going away, and bull$&!+ answers and rulings are going to be challenged. I practice and prepare and when I go to court I am ready to compete in their game! And I don't quit, if I get a set back, I just apply more effort because many of those people will respect determination motivated by principal; Maybe not the first, second or third or fourth time, but I have found most courts respect determination and application of quality effort. They don't welcome you with open arms but when they call your case, they know you are bringing your "A" game. Most will privately respect you as an adversary. You don't need a law degree (look at me), you don't need to be the best speller (look at me), nor do you need to be the best dressed (look at me) nor the most articulate defendant (look at me) what you need to be is a member of a team that has practiced and prepared for battle, who is willing to apply unrelentingly our game plan! (look at me) I offer myself as an example, for when the law was passed I was just a mechanic that fixed cars and rode motorcycles at high rates of speed with reckless abandon! In summation I guess could have answered this question with the following: We aren't a team and they are, we don't practice and they do, we aren't united and they are, we don't speak the language and they do. With all of that being said let me close with this, what I have outlined as the problems above can be cured with the following: unity, practice (preparation) and unrelenting application of effort. It wouldn't take that many people (300 state wide would be plenty) to implement what I think the cure is, or could be. Don't misunderstand me I think that the effort applied to legislatively seeking relief is very necessary and not to be abandoned, but it by itself, in my opinion, will not get the job done. The focus is too narrow and limited. Not withstanding the question was regarding the Courts, not the whole solution to the problem. Thank you for the chance to add my two cents to the mix. I welcome further discussion on my (our) ideas. Don Blanscet |
| Q "In your opinion, why don't more Judges see the problems with the enforcement of the helmet law, the correctability issue, understand the self certification process, and as a result, rule in our favor more often?" |
| Red Barron explains: Judges don't always see the problems with the enforcement of the helmet law (the correctability issue, the self certification process, etc) because there are not enough self-educated bikers going to court and training the Judges. |
| The most knowledgeable guys on helmet law and court battles - the Plaintiffs in the Civil Suit - answer your questions. What would you ask them, if you could ask anything? Read how they answer these questions. |
| Read this update to be sure you know everything there is to know about the Civil case against the California Highway Patrol (CHP), and the status of the Contempt Of Court charge against the CHP which was dismissed by the 6th Appellate District Court. In that decision, the Judges wrote that the CHP was wrong, and violations of the helmet law are fix-it tickets. We got 90% of what we wanted in that decision, even though the court saved the CHP from the Contempt of Court conviction. The Civil Case against the CHP was heard in Santa Cruz Municipal Court on May 19 and May 20, 2008. The Judge dismissed our case against the CHP. We are deciding what action, if any, can be effectively taken from this point on. Until then, you can read the transcripts of the 2 day trial to see for yourself what happened. Keep it here to stay up on the next move. |
| Judicial Q & A Your Direct Link To The Guys Suing The CHP |
| On February 8, 2008 the Judge in the civil case conducted a hearing on the CHP's Motion for Summary Judgement. The CHP's lawyer, the Attorney General of California (AG), asked the judge if they could just win before we got started because their case was so strong. But the judge said our case was stronger and he hinted that there could even be an Injunction to stop enforcement of the helmet law statewide, our points are so correct, and our case is so good. We win again. What can you do to help make this happen? The armwrestling in the court is solid. The money it takes to pay the lawyer is what you can help with. You can also put out the word. 1.) Tell your friends who want the helmet law in California to go away they can help make that happen with a few dollars. 2.) Have you gotten a helmet ticket in California within the last 12 years? Someone you know? Let us know if you have. Who wrote it? When? Did the officer say you needed a "DOT approved" helmet? Best case scenario, email me a copy of the ticket, a picture of the helmet, and jot down what the officer said was wrong with your helmet; in other words, why you got a ticket - why was your helmet not legal? We will need this information for evidence in a trial if we hope to eliminate the California helmet law. With enough of you showing the judge there is more than just 3 or 4 improperly written helmet tickets - alot of them - there's good reason to shut down enforcement. Don't wait; send the helmet ticket info now. Send to the webmaster |